Kathryn Nicolai: The Neuroscience of Sleep—How to Hack Your Anxious Brain

Kathryn Nicolai: The Neuroscience of Sleep—How to Hack Your Anxious Brain

June 26, 2026 · 1h 5m

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Darin Olien and Kathryn Nicolai discuss the neuroscience of sleep and the calming power of storytelling.

What if falling asleep has less to do with forcing your mind to be quiet, and more to do with giving it a gentle place to land? In this deeply calming conversation, Darin sits down with author, meditation teacher, and creator of the wildly successful Nothing Much Happens sleep podcast, Kathryn Nicolai. With more than 200 million downloads, Kathryn has helped millions of people quiet anxious minds, overcome insomnia, and rediscover rest through the ancient power of storytelling. Together they explore the neuroscience of storytelling, why our brains crave safe narratives before sleep, the role of the Default Mode Network in anxiety, how sensory-rich stories calm the nervous system, and why creating inner safety may be one of the most powerful wellness practices available. Kathryn also shares the moving personal story that inspired her to finally pursue her lifelong dream of becoming a writer after the death of a close friend, and how that decision changed millions of lives. This conversation is a beautiful reminder that healing doesn't always come through doing more, it often begins by feeling safe enough to simply rest. What You'll Learn Why storytelling naturally calms the…

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