The IP4 Partners: Where NATO Meets the Indo-Pacific
From The Asia Chessboard by Center for Strategic and International Studies
December 2, 2025 · 51 min
About this episode
Experts discuss the security relationship between the IP4 nations and NATO amidst changing U.S. policies.
In this episode, Mike speaks with three leading experts on international security: Elizabeth Saunders, Director of the Saltzman Institute of War and Peace Studies and Professor of Political Science at Columbia University; Luis Simón, Director of the Research Centre for Security, Diplomacy and Strategy and Research Professor in International Security at the Brussels School of Governance; and Chung Min Lee, Senior Fellow in the Asia Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Together, they discuss the Indo-Pacific Four (IP4) NATO partner nations—Australia, Japan, South Korea, and New Zealand—and examine where the IP4 and the broader Euro-Atlantic–Indo-Pacific security relationship are heading in light of shifting U.S. policy priorities.
People in this episode
Host: Mike
Guests: Elizabeth Saunders, Luis Simón, Chung Min Lee
Topics covered
- international security
- Indo-Pacific
- NATO
- U.S. policy
- Euro-Atlantic security
- IP4 partners
Keywords
- Indo-Pacific Four
- NATO
- international security
- U.S. policy
- Australia
- Japan
- South Korea
- New Zealand
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Saltzman Institute of War and Peace Studies, Columbia University, Research Centre for Security, Diplomacy and Strategy, Brussels School of Governance, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Places: Australia, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand
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