About this episode

Jenny and Greg discuss the complexities of opting out of screens and social media, emphasizing the nuances of privilege in the digital age.

In this episode of The Cave Project , Jenny and Greg Swan dig into the privilege of opting out of screens, social media, and AI, and why “just put your phone down” is not the moral flex people think it is. From working parents using tablets as survival tools to social media becoming job infrastructure, community infrastructure, and sometimes emotional regulation infrastructure, they argue for more nuance and a lot less shame. They also get into loud iPads in public, adults on speakerphone in airports, the class dynamics of not needing to be online, and why refusing AI is not always an option when your job, income, or creative life now depends on it. Plus, Greg vibe codes a game to help Berdie go to space, The Cave Project launches CaveProject.co, and everyone is invited to your mom’s house. Spiritually, probably. Find more on this episode and our back-catalog at our website: https://www.caveproject.co

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