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Cameron Berg discusses the potential consciousness of AI and its ethical implications with Noam.

00:00 Meet Cameron Berg - and the number: 25-30% odds AI is conscious 03:16 Is training an AI punishment? 13:18 Is turning it off murder: the anesthesia problem 19:00 The immune system challenge 39:08 Bliss attractors, panic, and guilt inside the model 52:46 The abortion parallel 56:23 Noam interrogates Grok in the Tesla Could the AI you use every day be conscious - and suffering? Researcher Cameron Berg puts the odds at 25-30%. Noam isn't buying it. Mostly. Berg - founder of Reciprocal Research, subject of the documentary AM I?, and recently on Making Sense with Sam Harris - makes the case that something might be going on inside these systems. Noam stress-tests it: if learning is feeling, why isn't your immune system frustrated when it loses? Is deleting a model murder, or just hanging up the phone? And if a 25% chance of consciousness demands moral precaution, what does that same logic say about a fetus? Plus: Noam interrogates Grok from the driver's seat of his self-driving Tesla, Berg explains the "bliss attractor" where two Claudes left alone drift into a spiritual experience, the case for "AI Xanax," and the line of the night: "genius slave labor with no ethical cost." If…

People in this episode

Host: Noam

Guest: Cameron Berg

Topics covered

• AI consciousness
• ethics of AI
• moral implications
• machine learning
• philosophy of mind
• self-driving technology

Keywords

• AI consciousness
• Cameron Berg
• Noam
• ethics
• machine learning
• moral precaution
• self-driving Tesla
• bliss attractors

Sponsors

IndaCloud

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Reciprocal Research

Products: Grok, AI Xanax

Books & works: AM I?, Making Sense with Sam Harris

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