About this episode

Paul Krugman interviews Chad Bown about their book on navigating trade wars and the future of global trade.

In a reversal of roles, Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman steps into host Soumaya Keynes shoes to quiz her and co-author Chad Bown about their new book "How to Win a Trade War", and the lessons it contains for surviving a global world order where traditional trade rules are being abandoned. They discuss the fragile domestic politics of a trade war, what the rest of the world can learn from China and reasons to be sort of cheerful about the future of global trade. Further reading No one wins a trade war. Or do they? Why Europe must embrace tariffs Subscribe to Soumaya's show on Apple , Spotify , Pocket Casts or wherever you listen. Presented by Soumaya Keynes. Produced by Mischa Frankl-Duval. Manuela Saragosa is the executive producer. Original music and sound design by Breen Turner. Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

People in this episode

Host: Soumaya Keynes

Guests: Paul Krugman, Chad Bown

Topics covered

• trade war
• global trade
• economics
• China
• domestic politics
• Nobel prize

Keywords

• trade war
• Paul Krugman
• Chad Bown
• global trade
• economics
• China
• domestic politics

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Financial Times, Acast, FT.com

Books & works: How to Win a Trade War

More episodes of The Economics Show

• Brexit at 10: What comes next? With Anand Menon · June 12, 2026 · 30 min
• The US-China decoupling fantasy, with Jessica Chen Weiss · June 5, 2026 · 32 min
• Can African countries mimic Asia’s economic success? With Joe Studwell · May 22, 2026 · 29 min
• Should economics have fewer taboos? With Alvin Roth · May 15, 2026 · 26 min

Explore listener stats, chart rankings, contacts and more on the The Economics Show podcast page.