About this episode

The episode discusses the normalization of political violence and the implications for Christians, alongside a critique of the DEI debate.

After another assassination attempt on President Trump, Esau McCaulley, Malcolm Foley and Mike Stralow wrestle with what it means that political violence is starting to feel normal, and why Christians must reject any attempt to justify it in Jesus' name. They unpack the so-called "Christian" logic behind the attacker's manifesto, and explain why the story of Jesus fundamentally undermines violence as a tool for change. Then the conversation turns to the backlash around DEI, where real concerns, bad ideas, and political overreactions have all been thrown into one messy debate. Also this week: why people quietly leave churches, and Producer Mike might need a new nickname. 0:00 - Theme Song 3:02 - Assassination Attempt 6:11 - Christian Non-Violence 9:05 - Identifying with the State 17:35 - Conspiracy Theories 20:53 - Where DEI Backfires 29:48 - The "DEI Bundle" 34:52 - Critiquing DEI Without Being MAGA 39:00 - Pastors and Congregation Numbers 55:24 - End Credits

People in this episode

Host: Esau McCaulley

Guests: Malcolm Foley, Mike Stralow

Topics covered

• political violence
• Christian non-violence
• DEI backlash
• church attendance
• conspiracy theories

Keywords

• assassination attempt
• political violence
• Christianity
• DEI
• church attendance
• conspiracy theories

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