The pope & Trump: A match not made in heaven

The pope & Trump: A match not made in heaven

From The Excerpt by USA TODAY

April 21, 2026 · 13 min

About this episode

The episode discusses the public dispute between President Trump and Pope Leo XIV regarding violence and diplomacy.

President Donald Trump has been clashing with Pope Leo XIV for weeks now in a rare and increasingly public dispute between a U.S. president and the head of the Catholic Church. The pope has warned against the escalating violence around the world and called for peace and diplomacy. But Trump has pushed back hard, going so far as to call the pope “weak on crime” and falsely suggesting that he supports Iran having nuclear weapons. USA TODAY World Affairs Correspondent Kim Hjelmgaard joins The Excerpt to share his insights. Let us know what you think of this episode by sending an email to  podcasts@usatoday.com .  Episode transcript  available here .  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

People in this episode

Host: USA TODAY

Guest: Kim Hjelmgaard

Topics covered

  • politics
  • religion
  • international relations
  • conflict
  • diplomacy

Keywords

  • Trump
  • Pope
  • Catholic Church
  • violence
  • diplomacy
  • Iran
  • nuclear weapons

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