
About this episode
Rebecca Solnit discusses the often overlooked positive transformations in society amidst current global challenges.
If someone asked you to describe the state of the world right now, odds are you’d reach for the bad news first: political division, AI panic, war, ecological crisis, unraveling everywhere. And none of that is imaginary. But Rebecca Solnit thinks the pessimistic view is incomplete. We’re good at seeing catastrophe and reversal, and much worse at seeing the slower, more positive transformations that unfold over decades. Solnit’s new book, The Beginning Comes After the End, is an argument for noticing those changes without denying the darkness of the present. She joins Sean to talk about hope, backlash, political despair, and why fragile victories are still victories worth defending. Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling) Guest: Rebecca Solnit We would love to hear from you. To tell us what you thought of this episode, email us at thegrayarea@vox.com or leave us a voicemail at 1-800-214-5749. Your comments and questions help us make a better show. And you can watch new episodes of The Gray Area on YouTube. New episodes drop every Monday and Friday. Listen to The Gray Area ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
People in this episode
Host: Sean Illing
Guest: Rebecca Solnit
Topics covered
- progress
- pessimism
- hope
- political despair
- social change
Keywords
- progress
- pessimism
- hope
- political division
- ecological crisis
- social change
Mentioned in this episode
Books & works: The Beginning Comes After the End
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