The One About the Pro Leisure Circuit (Again)

The One About the Pro Leisure Circuit (Again)

July 8, 2026 · 22 min

About this episode

In this episode, Rands discusses motivation and leisure in the context of work with references to various cultural and personal influences.

In our 99th episode, Rands is back on the Pro Leisure Circuit — infinite time, a suspicious amount of Arc Raiders, and no wind in the sails — and we wrestle with what actually motivates a person when the engine of work goes quiet. The usual suspects: Arc Raiders , absorbing ten-hour days like it's a job Rands Leadership Slack — 35,000 leaders, 7,000 a week Daring Fireball , John Gruber's one-person media entity Ray Kroc , who started McDonald's in his fifties CalArts , where Lyle's daughter learned she didn't want to animate for a living UC Santa Cruz , Lyle's decade in the state of California Related Important Things episodes: EP 25: The One About the Pro Leisure Circuit EP 96: The One About ARC Raiders

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Hosts: Rands, Michael Lopp

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Organizations: Rands Leadership Slack, Daring Fireball

Books & works: The One About the Pro Leisure Circuit, The One About ARC Raiders

Places: CalArts, UC Santa Cruz

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