Francis Fukuyama — AGI and the Recommencement of History

Francis Fukuyama — AGI and the Recommencement of History

July 31, 2025 · 1h 18m · Season 9 · Episode 172

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Joe Walker interviews Francis Fukuyama about the implications of AGI and biotech on history and society.

Francis Fukuyama is a Stanford political scientist and the author of (among many other works) The End of History and the Last Man —arguably the most influential work in political science of the past half-century. If “History” is driven by technology, how does Fukuyama now view biotech and AI—and their potential to usher in a new, post-human history? These are difficult questions, but I wanted to ask Frank about topics that are both important and (at least for AI) on which he has spoken little until now. We also get a sneak peek at his forthcoming book and discuss his ideas on bureaucracies, delegation, and state capacity. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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