How Australia Actually Selects and Integrates Migrants — Mike Pezzullo [Immigration Series]

About this episode

The episode discusses how Australia selects and integrates migrants, featuring insights from Mike Pezzullo on the visa system and migration policy.

Part 3 of a three-part immigration series this week . Martin Parkinson (economics) available here ; Mark Cully (history) available here . Mike Pezzullo ran the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service (2013-2014), then the Department of Immigration and Border Protection (2014-2017), then the Department of Home Affairs (2017-2023). For more than a decade across those three roles, he was responsible for how Australia selects migrants, screens for risk, and thinks about social cohesion under stress. We discuss the central but underappreciated fact about how Australia selects migrants: the diversity of our intake is a happy accident of global migration flows, not engineered policy. We also walk through how the visa system actually screens for security and character, why Pezzullo doubts the Bondi terrorist's father would have been refused a student visa in 1998 even with today's tools, what a 2027 China-Taiwan blockade would mean for the Australian migration system in real time, and a never-aired proposal for fixing Australia's "permanent temporaries" problem — a constitutional amendment Pezzullo calls "the Pezzullo special." We finish with: should "populate or perish"…

People in this episode

Host: Joe Walker

Guest: Mike Pezzullo

Topics covered

• immigration
• migrant selection
• social cohesion
• visa system
• security screening
• Australia's migration policy

Keywords

• Australia
• immigration
• migrants
• visa system
• social cohesion
• security screening
• Mike Pezzullo

Sponsors

Eucalyptus

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Australian Customs and Border Protection Service, Department of Immigration and Border Protection, Department of Home Affairs

Places: Australia

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