About this episode

Matt Stauffer interviews Jeremy Butler about design systems and their impact on Laravel products.

The Laravel Podcast is brought to you by Tighten, your friendly neighborhood Laravel experts. Check us out at tighten.com and also by other sponsors you will hear about later in the episode. In this episode, Matt Stauffer sits down with Jeremy Butler, product design lead at Laravel, to trace his path from building an app to sell advertisements to shaping the look and feel of Cloud, Nightwatch, and Forge. Jeremy shares how a copy of Laravel: Up & Running rescued a struggling NHS project, why he leans on systems thinking and design thinking over raw pixels, and how design finally became its own pillar at Laravel alongside engineering. They also dig into his side projects — useClassy and DSLinter — plus design system governance, tokens, and why solid design fundamentals still matter in the age of AI. Matt Stauffer on X - https://x.com/mattstauffer Jeremy on X - https://x.com/jrmymbtlr Jeremy on Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/jrmybtlr.com Laravel Up and Running - https://laravelupandrunning.com/ Classy - https://useclassy.com/ UseMods - https://usemods.com/ DSLinter - https://dslinter.com./ Laws of UX - http://lawsofux.com Untools - https://untools.co/ Laravel Twitter…

People in this episode

Host: Matt Stauffer

Guest: Jeremy Butler

Topics covered

• design systems
• product design
• Laravel
• AI in design
• systems thinking
• design governance

Keywords

• design systems
• Laravel
• Jeremy Butler
• Tighten
• AI
• systems thinking
• design governance

Sponsors

Tighten

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Laravel, NHS, Laravel Twitter, Laravel Website, Laracon US 2026, Suggestion Box

Products: Laravel: Up & Running, Cloud, Nightwatch, Forge, useClassy, DSLinter

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