136. Stage 2 Series: What Does the End of Stage 2 Really Look Like in EFT?

136. Stage 2 Series: What Does the End of Stage 2 Really Look Like in EFT?

April 1, 2026 · 34 min · Episode 138

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The episode explores the characteristics and experiences of couples reaching the end of Stage 2 in Emotionally Focused Therapy.

Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other. In this episode of Push the Leading Edge, Dr. James Hawkins (Doc Hawk) and Dr. Ryan Rana unpack what it actually looks and feels like when a couple reaches the end of Stage 2 in Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT). They move beyond theory and manuals into the lived, embodied reality: couples who can stay in the emotional “fire,” face their deepest shame and pain, and still reach for each other. Using vivid metaphors—from Navy SEAL training, battle buddies, and swim buddies, to military deployments and “embrace the suck”—they illustrate how Stage 2 work transforms not just the relationship, but each partner’s internal sense of self and safety. Top 10 Takeaways from This Episode End of Stage 2 = Installed Positive Cycle You know you’re at the end of Stage 2 when couples can see…

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