America will be effin' back — but not for a while

America will be effin' back — but not for a while

From The Line by Matt Gurney and Jen Gerson

April 7, 2026 · 42 min

About this episode

Matt Gurney speaks with retired U.S. Army lieutenant general Mark Hertling about America's role in the world and military leadership.

In this episode of On The Line, Matt Gurney speaks with Mark Hertling, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant general, former commander of U.S. Army Europe, and a longtime commentator on military affairs and leadership. The conversation begins with an unusual connection. Hertling had referenced one of Matt’s columns in a recent speech, which a Line reader flagged and sent along. That led to an invitation — and a wide-ranging discussion about the United States’ role in the world, the strain on Western...

People in this episode

Host: Matt Gurney

Guest: Mark Hertling

Topics covered

  • U.S. military
  • global role
  • leadership
  • Western strain
  • military affairs

Keywords

  • military
  • leadership
  • U.S. Army
  • global affairs
  • Western strain

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: U.S. Army, U.S. Army Europe

Places: United States, Western

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