She Helped Scam Me. Then She Saved Me. An Open-Hearted Conversation With Sara Joyner

She Helped Scam Me. Then She Saved Me. An Open-Hearted Conversation With Sara Joyner

February 9, 2026 · 1h 5m

About this episode

Sara Joyner and Erin Patten discuss a complex story of betrayal, accountability, and healing after a scam.

In this episode, Sara Joyner and I sit down to talk about a story that started with betrayal and ended somewhere far more complicated than most people expect. I was scammed out of thousands of dollars. Sara played a role in that situation. And later, she was also the person who warned me. This conversation is not about pretending harm didn’t happen. It’s about telling the truth about what did — fully, publicly, and without spiritual bypassing. Sara shares what led her into the situation, the moment things escalated into violence, and what it meant to come forward after realizing the damage that had been done. We talk about accountability without collapsing into shame, and why taking responsibility doesn’t always look like punishment — sometimes it looks like telling the truth and staying in the room. I share what it was like to sit across from someone who was part of my betrayal and still choose to remain grounded, discerning, and honest. We unpack why forgiveness is not the same as excusing behavior, and why gratitude doesn’t erase harm — it acknowledges complexity. 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲𝘀: • What happens when spirituality overrides discernment • How…

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