
How the Shadow Government controls Red States - Sec. Chuck Gray (WY-R, Secretary of State) & Thomas Murray | #75
From The New Founding Podcast by New Founding
December 9, 2025 · 55 min · Season 2 · Episode 75
About this episode
The episode discusses the influence of the shadow government in red states with insights from Wyoming Secretary of State Chuck Gray and economic strategist Thomas Murray.
Today, Nathan Halberstadt sits down with Chuck Gray, Wyoming Secretary of State, and Thomas Murray, Senior Economic Strategist at the State Leadership Initiative, to discuss the national associations that comprise the "shadow government" and the covert influence they wield in red states. Thomas Murray is a Senior Economic Strategist at the State Leadership Initiative, where he leads efforts to strengthen state-level economic development. After graduating from the University of Virginia, he began his career at Bain & Company before shifting his focus to the state policy arena. His work centers on coordinating across red-state policymakers and private-sector leaders to advance policies that are both pro-business and pro-American. Check Gray is Secretary of State in Wyoming. A graduate of the Wharton School of Business, he previously served in the Wyoming House of Representatives, and has been focused on a range of pro-America policies, including voter ID, American energy leadership, and more. https://x.com/ChuckForWyoming ---------- Follow New Founding across Social Media: Twitter / X – https://twitter.com/newfounding https://twitter.com/nathalberstadt YouTube –…
People in this episode
Host: Nathan Halberstadt
Guests: Chuck Gray, Thomas Murray
Topics covered
- shadow government
- red states
- economic development
- state policy
- pro-business policies
- American energy leadership
Keywords
- shadow government
- red states
- Chuck Gray
- Thomas Murray
- economic development
- state policy
- pro-business
- American energy
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: State Leadership Initiative, Bain & Company, Wharton School of Business
Places: Wyoming, Dallas, Texas
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