Citizens of Heaven with Michael Ebbs

Citizens of Heaven with Michael Ebbs

July 10, 2025 · 34 min · Season 4 · Episode 3

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Matt Castro and Michael Ebbs discuss tariffs, trade policy, and the implications of globalism.

In this episode of the Partners in Citizens podcast, host Matt Castro is joined by friend and political enthusiast Michael Ebbs for a thoughtful conversation about tariffs, trade policy under President Trump, and broader questions about globalism. They discuss the economic logic behind tariffs, their local and international impacts, and the historical failures of protectionist policies like the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. Drawing on personal experience in higher education and international student dynamics, Mike shares how immigration and global trade fuel innovation and stability. They also explore the Christian and ethical dimensions of global trade, arguing that open markets can help lift people out of poverty and foster collaboration. The episode closes with reflections on Congress’s role in regulating tariffs and the potential need to rein in executive power over trade policy.

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