When Race Trumps Merit

When Race Trumps Merit

May 22, 2026 · 55 min

About this episode

The episode discusses the impact of DEI programs on merit and features insights from Heather Mac Donald and Richard Samuelson.

Guests: Heather Mac Donald and Richard Samuelson Host Scot Bertram talks with Heather Mac Donald, the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and contributing editor at  City Journal , about efforts by the Trump administration to curb DEI programs and her book  When Race Trumps Merit: How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty, and Threatens Lives . And Richard Samuelson, associate professor of government at Hillsdale College’s Washington, D.C. campus, continues a series celebrating the 250th anniversary of the United States. This week, Thomas Paine’s  Common Sense  and Abigail Adams’ admonition to “remember the ladies.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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