FICO’s Monopoly is Fading & Consumers Are the Winners w/ Kelsey Zhu | The Real Eisman Playbook Ep 59

FICO’s Monopoly is Fading & Consumers Are the Winners w/ Kelsey Zhu | The Real Eisman Playbook Ep 59

May 11, 2026 · 1h 14m

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Steve Eisman discusses the decline of FICO's monopoly on credit scores with guest Kelsey Zhu, exploring its implications for various stakeholders.

On episode 59 of The Real Eisman Playbook, Steve Eisman sits down with Kelsey Zhu of Autonomous to discuss the collapse of FICO's decades-long monopoly on credit scores and what it means for homebuyers, lenders, and investors. Kelsey breaks down how FICO raised its mortgage score pricing from 60 cents to $10 per pull and why that aggressive pricing opened the door for Vantage. They also explore the broader financial data sector and discuss how AI is reshaping the competitive landscape for every company in the group. 00:00 - The Real Eisman Playbook Premium 02:20 - Intro 04:35 - An Overview of the FICO Situation 13:40 - Destroying a Monopoly 20:05 - FICO vs Vantage Pricing 27:42 - The Credit Bureaus 30:39 - Kelsey's Call with a Private Mortgage Lender 35:09 - Outside the Mortgage Industry 37:00 - Going Back to the Price Increase 38:06 - Monopolies vs Duopolies 40:11 - Good & Bad Business Models 45:15 - Businesses of the Credit Bureaus 49:23 - How AI Factors In 51:20 - Verisk's Business Model 54:10 - MSCI 59:03 - FactSet 1:03:25 - Summarizing the FICO Situation & Lessons Learned 1:03:32 - Outro Visit https://realeismanplaybook.com/ to sign up for our mailing list. Subscribe…

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Host: Steve Eisman

Guest: Kelsey Zhu

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Organizations: FICO, Vantage, Autonomous, Verisk, MSCI, FactSet

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