Übersheep and Orthogonal Things | Interview: Luke Burgis

Übersheep and Orthogonal Things | Interview: Luke Burgis

June 8, 2026 · 1h 10m

About this episode

Jonah Goldberg interviews Luke Burgis about various topics including institutions, groupthink, and AI.

Having grown tired of Sarah Isgur’s vulgar ways, Jonah cast about for a more grounded and respectable guest to grace today’s Remnant. Upon thumbing through the index cards on his vintage rotary address file, Jonah remembered that Luke Burgis went to seminary and decided he would do. Jonah and Luke discuss institutions, rites of passage, the parable of the lost sheep, integralism, transcendence, crowds, groupthink, fragile children, family time, and AI. Show Notes: —The One and the Ninety-Nine: Forging Identity in the Age of Social Contagion —Last Luke Burgis Remnant —Nisbet - The Quest for Community: A Study in the Ethics of Order and Freedom —Why Postliberalism Failed Remnant —Pope Leo XIV: Magnifica Humanitas —Dispatch Pod on AI The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including the Saturday Ruminant, audio versions of all our articles and newsletters, and Jonah’s twice-weekly G-File—⁠click here⁠. Instructions on how to set up your members-only feed can be found here, and if you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience…

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Host: Jonah Goldberg

Guest: Luke Burgis

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Organizations: The Dispatch, Dispatch Pod on AI

Books & works: The One and the Ninety-Nine: Forging Identity in the Age of Social Contagion, Nisbet - The Quest for Community: A Study in the Ethics of Order and Freedom, Why Postliberalism Failed Remnant, Pope Leo XIV: Magnifica Humanitas

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