About this episode

The episode explores the implications of a world without generative AI on application security.

In this episode, we explore a simple but surprisingly deep question: what would application security look like if generative AI never existed? We break down how AppSec might still rely on deterministic, rule-based approaches, what we might gain in structure and rigor, and what we’d lose in speed, scale, and accessibility. Along the way, we debate whether AI is truly improving security or just accelerating existing problems, from “vibe coding” and false confidence in results to the growing gap...

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