Andy Burnham builds a plane mid-flight as Starmer checks out

Andy Burnham builds a plane mid-flight as Starmer checks out

June 23, 2026 · 25 min

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The episode discusses the chaotic political transition involving Andy Burnham and Keir Starmer, focusing on potential candidates for chancellor and the challenges ahead.

Andy Burnham and Keir Starmer both want an orderly transition but one day in, it's looking anything but orderly. It's a transition beset with bad blood and uncertainty and also some serious technical hurdles. Is he building a plane mid-flight or is he more like Gromit, sitting on a speeding train, laying down the track in front of him? The biggest unanswered question facing Andy Burnham is who will be his chancellor. Three names are in contention: bookmakers' favourite Wes Streeting, rank outsider Shabana Mahmood, and Ed Miliband — the bête noire of the bond markets. Patrick reports from parliament's bars, where the champagne is flowing and Labour MPs have suddenly become shameless attention-seekers, hoping to seduce Andy Burnham's allies. Steven Swinford, political editor, The Times Lara Spirit, deputy political editor, The Sunday Times Patrick Maguire, chief political commentator, The Times Producers: Euan Dawtrey, Harry Kitson Executive producer: Molly Guinness Picture: Getty Images Audio: Reuters Email us: thestateofit@thetimes.co.uk 0:00 - Can Andy Burnham Build the Plane Mid-Flight? 1:15 - Drama on the Commons Terrace: Euphoria & Champagne 4:20 - Keir Starmer's…

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