Four Stages of Leadership - Part 1: Stages 1-3

Four Stages of Leadership - Part 1: Stages 1-3

June 25, 2026 · 41 min · Episode 12

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Adam Hatcher discusses the four stages of leadership with Norm Smallwood, focusing on the first three stages and common fears faced by family business leaders.

In this first of two parts, Adam Hatcher sits down with Norm Smallwood, co-founder of RBL Group and a longtime collaborator in Adam's own family business journey, to unpack the four stages of leadership. The framework, rooted in decades of research on how professionals contribute over time, gives family business leaders a practical language for two of the most common fears they may face: Am I actually seen as a strong performer? And are the family members I'm responsible for performing at the level this company needs? Episode Links Website: https://www.21clear.com Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamhatcher Newsletter: https://21clear.substack.com/ RBL Group: https://rbl.net The Leadership Code (book)…

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Host: Adam Hatcher

Guest: Norm Smallwood

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Organizations: RBL Group

Books & works: The Leadership Code

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