About this episode

Christine Barnes discusses the importance of understanding the difference between diversity and inclusion in leadership.

Some of the most powerful shifts in leadership come from seeing something that's been there all along, but never fully acted on. On this episode of The Unlock Moment, I am joined by Christine Barnes, executive coach, UC Berkeley lecturer, and author of Inclusionable: Transform How You Lead and Elevate Your Team's Performance ... and her story is a brilliant example of exactly that. Christine has spent her career inside some of the world's most complex organisations, from IBM to Oracle, Roche to Genentech, helping leaders navigate change and build capability. But it was her doctoral research - begun at an age when most of her peers were thinking about retirement - that crystallised what she had been observing for decades: that despite billions spent on diversity hiring, too many people still look up in their organisations and see nobody like them. In this conversation, we explore why most leaders can't actually distinguish between diversity and inclusion, how Christine's own biases showed up in the middle of a research interview, and why outsourcing inclusion to DEI experts, however essential they are, lets leaders off the hook. This is a conversation about self-awareness…

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