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The episode discusses Tim Cook's legacy at Apple, the potential changes under new CEO John Ternus, and recent news from Microsoft regarding Xbox.

Now that we've had a few days to digest the Apple CEO succession news, Nilay and David get some help from Daring Fireball's John Gruber to discuss Tim Cook's legacy, the potential for change under John Ternus, and whether the Touch Bar actually could have been great. Then, Nilay and David react to some breaking news: Microsoft is going back to the Xbox. And everything is an Xbox now. Finally, in the lightning round, we have a round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, a very 2026 new microphone, a BMW we can't figure out, and Meta's new AI training tool: its employees. We’re also on video! Check us out on YouTube. Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters and our ad-free podcast feed. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Further reading: Behold the cursed 2027 BMW 7 Series interior (via Car and Driver) Tim Cook’s departure is the start of a new era at Apple Read Tim Cook’s letter to the Apple world as he departs as CEO Wearable health tech might be Tim Cook’s greatest legacy Who is Apple’s new CEO John Ternus? Tim Cook: “I am healthy. My energy is high, and I…

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Hosts: Nilay Patel, David Pierce

Guest: John Gruber

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Organizations: Microsoft, BMW, Meta, Daring Fireball

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