"We Should Never Have Taken Israel to The Hague" | South African Opposition Leader Mmusi Maimane

"We Should Never Have Taken Israel to The Hague" | South African Opposition Leader Mmusi Maimane

July 19, 2026 · 24 min

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Ariel Whitman interviews Mmusi Maimane about South Africa's political landscape and its future prospects.

Has South Africa fulfilled the promise of democracy—or lost its way?In this episode of The Western Spirit, Ariel Whitman sits down with Mmusi Maimane, one of South Africa's leading opposition figures, to discuss the country's future, the legacy of Nelson Mandela, the ANC, corruption, economic decline, race, crime, democracy, and why he believes liberation movements can become part of the establishment they once opposed. They also discuss South Africa's relationship with Israel, the ICJ case, Donald Trump's criticism of South Africa, claims of white farmer persecution, antisemitism, the two-state solution, investment, economic reform, and why Maimane believes South Africa still has the potential to become one of Africa's greatest success stories. Subscribe to The Western Spirit for conversations with world leaders, policymakers, entrepreneurs and intellectuals shaping the future of politics, economics and the West.For business inquiries, including advertising opportunities on our show, please email us at: thewesternspiritpodcast@gmail.comChapters00:00Introduction: South Africa's Political and Economic Context01:29South Africa's Decades of Growth and Challenges02:52Corruption and…

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