Episode 24: Robber Zhi—Honor Among Thieves?

Episode 24: Robber Zhi—Honor Among Thieves?

August 28, 2025 · 1h 17m

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The episode discusses the philosophical implications of the 'Robber Zhi Dialogue' featuring Confucius and the anti-hero Robber Zhi.

With a big assist from our guest, Stephen C. Walker, we discuss a highly unusual philosophical dialogue in classical Chinese literature, the "Robber Zhi Dialogue" (from the Miscellaneous Chapters of the Zhuangzi). This shocking story shows Confucius attempting to convince the story's anti-hero (Robber Zhi) to give up his vicious ways. By the end of the story, Confucius emerges as the more naive and inauthentic of the two characters, and moral exemplars in general are called into question. Are...

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