Aravind Srinivas & Edwin Chen: The $1B Bootstrap, Apple's AI Edge, and Benchmarks | TWiAI E10

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This episode features a discussion with Aravind Srinivas and Edwin Chen about their companies' growth and the future of AI technology.

This week we sat down with Aravind Srinivas and Edwin Chen. Aravind is the co-founder and CEO of Perplexity, whose revenue has grown from $100M to $500M on the back of Perplexity Computer. Edwin is the co-founder and CEO of Surge AI, the data training company teaching frontier models how to think, which quietly bootstrapped past $1B in revenue without ever raising a dollar. This Week In AI is made possible by: PayPal Open - One Platform for all Business: https://paypalopen.com/ Timestamps: 00:00 Cold open 01:00 Welcome & intro to Aravind Srinivas and Edwin Chen 02:40 Why Perplexity Comet and Perplexity Max are taking off 05:25 Edwin on Surge AI and why "data labeling" is the wrong term 10:47 Tim Cook steps down — what Apple's new CEO should do 13:56 Owning your agent loops: why Apple wins 21:20 "The iPhone is not getting disrupted by AI at all" 23:09 $242B raised in Q1 2026 and the late-stage capital flood 23:55 Edwin on bootstrapping Surge past $1B without raising 25:09 The ChatGPT "one weird trick" story and clickbait models 30:58 Claude Code as a loss leader to dominate token collection 33:30 Are we in the endgame for coding? 35:35…

People in this episode

Host: Jason Calacanis

Guests: Aravind Srinivas, Edwin Chen

Topics covered

• AI development
• bootstrapping
• data training
• Apple's strategy
• revenue growth
• technology trends

Keywords

• Perplexity
• Surge AI
• bootstrapping
• AI benchmarks
• Apple
• data labeling
• revenue growth
• technology

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Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Perplexity, Surge AI, Apple

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