Katie Moussouris on the Anthropic Export-Control Mess

From Three Buddy Problem by Security Conversations

June 19, 2026 · 1h 38m

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Katie Moussouris discusses the implications of the US government's suspension of access to Anthropic's models due to export control issues.

( Presented by TLPBLACK : A cybersecurity intelligence platform focused on sharing curated, high-sensitivity threat insights and research with trusted security professionals. ) Three Buddy Problem - Episode 102 : Software export controls expert Katie Moussouris joins the show to unpack the US government's abrupt move to suspend access to Anthropic's most powerful models over a so-called "jailbreak" that, on reading the paper, turned out to be a model doing exactly what defenders are supposed to do. We dig into the export-control chaos, the chemical-weapons framing of cybersecurity, the China question, and why Microsoft just resurrected a disclosure term the industry buried fifteen years ago. Cast: Katie Moussouris , Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade and Ryan Naraine . Costin is traveling. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introductory banter 1:00 - Export Controls: Fable 5 and Mythos 5 suspended 3:40 - The Anthropic–USG relationship and USG’s surveillance claim 9:40 - Self-owns, doomsday cults, and why the guardrails are "so broad" 12:42 - What the Amazon paper actually says ("fix this code") 20:33 - The chemical-weapons framing problem 23:39 - The China question and the SK Telecom angle 41:17 - Why…

People in this episode

Hosts: Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, Ryan Naraine

Guest: Katie Moussouris

Topics covered

export controls
cybersecurity
AI models
government surveillance
responsible disclosure
China
chemical weapons framing

Keywords

export controls
cybersecurity
AI
government policy
Microsoft
China
responsible disclosure

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Microsoft, Anthropic, SK Telecom, Luta Security