AI fluency is now a CEO’s job. Most are still stuck in 1984

AI fluency is now a CEO’s job. Most are still stuck in 1984

June 20, 2025 · 39 min

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Dheeraj Pandey discusses his journey of building unicorns and the importance of AI fluency for CEOs.

What do you do after building one unicorn? Well, if you’re Dheeraj Pandey, you build another. I sat down with Dheeraj, the founder of not one but two unicorns—Nutanix and now DevRev—to unpack what really drives him. It’s not the funding rounds or the fancy valuations—it’s building things people love . From transforming IT infrastructure to reimagining customer experience with AI, Dheeraj shares how purpose, design, and empathy have shaped his journey. We also talked about burnout, mentorship, and why his team keeps coming back for round two. IN THIS EPISODE (00:00) Coming up (01:35) Building two unicorns - still not the most impressive thing Dheeraj has done ( 02:50) What if business success wasn’t the end goal at all? ( 04:35) Could AI actually give us our weekends back? ( 06:05) When your company creates thousands of millionaires, then what? ( 07:35) Scaling globally without a single office in Antarctica ( 09:20) The part of AI no one’s talking about—but every company needs ( 11:05) Can AI become your brand’s secret weapon? ( 13:35) Forget outsourcing—here’s how to bring it all back, smarter ( 16:35) The AI hype is real—but who’s going to survive the crash? ( 20:20) Why CEOs…

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