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Shemia Fagan discusses her unconventional journey to employment law and shares practical strategies for trial lawyers using the TRIAL framework.

From failed minister to car salesman to Oregon Secretary of State, Shemia Fagan has taken one of the more unconventional roads to plaintiff employment law. Now managing partner of six HKM Employment Attorneys offices and running over 200 active cases as the sole attorney on her team, Shemia joins guest host Stephen King and her partner Matthew Westerbeck to show how she does it: with Claude. Together they walk through a practical framework for trial lawyers — using the acronym TRIAL — covering AI-driven triage, research, intake review, advocacy prep, and continuous learning. Tune in for concrete strategies on email automation, judge simulation, deposition prep, and how AI frees lawyers to focus on the human skills no machine can replace. Train and Connect with the Titans ☑️ Shemia Fagan | LinkedIn ☑️ HKM Employment Attorneys LLP | LinkedIn ☑️ Matthew Westerbeck | LinkedIn ☑️ Stephen King | LinkedIn ☑️ Kings Justice Law ☑️ Trial Lawyers University ☑️ TLU On Demand Instant access to live lectures, case analysis, and skills training videos ☑️ TLU Beach 2027 ☑️ TLU on X | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn ☑️ Subscribe Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube Episode Snapshot Shemia dropped…

People in this episode

Host: Dan Ambrose

Guests: Shemia Fagan, Stephen King

Topics covered

• employment law
• trial preparation
• AI in law
• legal strategies
• career development

Keywords

• employment law
• trial lawyers
• AI-driven triage
• deposition prep
• legal advocacy

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: HKM Employment Attorneys, Trial Lawyers University

Books & works: bachelor of divinity program

Places: Oregon

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