Talking peace, making war - with Jake Sullivan

About this episode

The episode discusses the ongoing war with Iran, featuring insights from guest Jake Sullivan on the flawed decision to engage in conflict and the implications for global politics.

Please note that an (authentic!) alert sound is heard twice throughout the episode. Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/UdhHLAquwgs Follow Unholy and learn more about the pod: https://unholy-podcast.lovable.app/ The fourth week of the war with Iran finds both sides insisting—loudly and contradictorily—that peace talks are either underway or nowhere in sight. In the meantime, Iranian missiles continue to hit civilian neighbourhoods across Israel, while rolling news blurs day into night, tracking both the war itself and the political manoeuvres that show little sign of slowing down. And in London, another antisemitic attack raises uncomfortable questions about double standards when it comes to hatred directed at Israel. This week, Yonit and Jonathan sit down with Jake Sullivan, who puts it bluntly: this war should not have started. Sullivan lays out three reasons why the decision was flawed, argues that Donald Trump’s “appetite grew with the eating” from the 12-day war to the current escalation, and offers an alternative path—a renewed nuclear deal backed by long-term deterrence. He also raises a troubling possibility: could this conflict increase the likelihood of Chinese action…

People in this episode

Hosts: Yonit, Jonathan

Guest: Jake Sullivan

Topics covered

• war
• peace talks
• political manoeuvres
• antisemitism
• nuclear deal
• media
• personal toll

Keywords

• Iran
• Israel
• peace talks
• antisemitism
• nuclear deal
• Jake Sullivan
• war
• Donald Trump
• media
• Tel Aviv

Mentioned in this episode

Places: Iran, Israel, London, Tel Aviv

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