As it is in Heaven: The Cosmology That Challenges How We Understand Heaven and Earth

As it is in Heaven: The Cosmology That Challenges How We Understand Heaven and Earth

April 20, 2026 · 1h 13m

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Mike Erre and Tim Stafford discuss the intersection of faith, politics, and ancient cosmology, exploring disillusionment with modern Christianity.

What happens when the Jesus Freak generation grows up and looks at the state of modern Christianity? Mike Erre and Tim Stafford dive into the messy intersection of faith, politics, and ancient cosmology in this wide-ranging conversation. From the fallout of 90s Christian celebrity culture to the current consumerism surrounding religious holidays, this episode explores why so many are feeling disillusioned with the modern church. The discussion moves into a deep critique of religious rhetoric within the American government and the recent America Reads the Bible event. Mike and Tim ask the hard questions: How do we remain invitational and hopeful amidst cultural carnage? How do we distinguish between the eternal truths of scripture and the cultural husks used to deliver them? A significant portion of this episode is dedicated to a listener question about the Lord's Prayer. By diving back into Genesis 1 and ancient Hebrew cosmology, Mike explains the concept of the Rakia, the waters above and below, and what it truly means to pray for God's will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. This deep dive into the highest heavens versus the atmospheric heavens provides a fresh perspective…

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Hosts: Mike Erre, Tim Stafford

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Books & works: Lord's Prayer, Genesis 1, America Reads the Bible

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