The Power of Not Knowing: Liminal Space, Devotion, and Inner Revolution

About this episode

HeatherAsh Amara and Sarah Marshank discuss navigating uncertainty and the importance of presence and devotion in liminal times.

In times of uncertainty, many of us feel disoriented — unsure of our roles, our medicine, or even what to call ourselves anymore. In this heartfelt, unscripted conversation, HeatherAsh sits down with longtime friend and teacher, Sarah Marshank, to explore what it means to live, lead, and practice in truly liminal times. Together, they reflect on devotion and boredom, grief and meditation, and the courage it takes to stay present in the unknown. Rather than trying to fix what’s broken, they invite us into a deeper relationship with prayer, presence, and the timeless web of life that connects us all. This episode is a gentle but powerful reminder that real transformation doesn’t come from control or certainty — it comes from listening, slowing down, and remembering who we are beneath our strategies. If you’re feeling exhausted or unsure, this conversation offers a grounded, compassionate place to rest and re-orient. Episode Highlights: Why so many helping professionals are in an identity crisis right now The difference between fixing and listening Liminal times as an invitation, not a problem to solve How boredom, grief, and stillness restore inner energy Devotion as conversation…

People in this episode

Host: HeatherAsh Amara

Guest: Sarah Marshank

Topics covered

• liminal space
• devotion
• inner revolution
• identity crisis
• transformation
• presence
• uncertainty

Keywords

• uncertainty
• identity
• transformation
• devotion
• meditation
• boredom
• grief
• listening

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Selfistry

Books & works: Michael Meade's Podcast Episode

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