About this episode

The episode discusses the challenges faced by UAP whistleblowers, including threats and unemployment, through personal accounts.

The fired-up denizens of UFO World loudly and consistently call for UAP insiders to step forward. "Spill everything," they demand. "No one would dare mess with you." Such bravado is easy to make for observers who have no skin in the game and for whom UFO disclosure is a spectator sport viewed from the comfort and safety of a home laptop. But for actual whistleblowers and UAP witnesses, reality is much different. Those few insiders who've had the courage to step forward with UAP information know all too well the costs of transparency. Their lives are upended. They are subject to invasive surveillance, outrageous break-ins, legal threats and intimidation, and soul-crushing financial struggles caused by seemingly permanent unemployment. In this episode, recorded on stage at Contact in the Desert, the world's largest UFO-themed gathering, George and Jeremy hear the firsthand, real-life, deeply personal experiences of those who came forward with UAP information to tell what they know—and the price they are still paying. Dylan Borland, a UAP witness and whistleblower, has been unemployed and threatened with treason charges since testifying before Congress in 2025. Matthew Brown, who…

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