DTF St. Louis, AI Music & Why You Need a Normie Friend

DTF St. Louis, AI Music & Why You Need a Normie Friend

June 15, 2026 · 31 min

About this episode

The episode discusses DTF St. Louis, the backlash against AI music, and the importance of having a normie friend.

This week we got completely sucked into DTF St. Louis on Max — and we have thoughts. David Harbour plays the most likable character in a show about suburban kinks, male loneliness and consensual weirdness, and we can't stop thinking about two middle-aged men tenderly dancing in their tighty-whities. Also: a woman yelled "you're my hall pass" at Ben during his Richmond show, and we're noticing a trend. Plus: the AI music backlash is real — Suno just raised $400 million and yet the public has definitively decided they do not want AI-created music. The Spotify CEO thinks bands should just drop a song every month. Reese Witherspoon is doing "let them eat cake" AI ads. And we explain exactly why tech platforms fundamentally do not understand creativity. Also: Seth Rogen's New York Times interview is essential listening, Ione had her first art show (get the painting at Vamped Vintage in Newtown), and we make the case for always having at least one normie friend in your life.

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Hosts: Ben Lee, Ione Skye

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Organizations: Spotify, Suno

Books & works: DTF St. Louis, New York Times

Places: Richmond, Newtown

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