INDY JOHAR: "How do we prepare the world for what’s coming?"
About this episode
Indy Johar discusses the concept of civilisational optionality and the future of humanity in a complex world.
Indy Johar (founder of Dark Matter Labs, systems designer) closes this 12-part series on the life-enhancing “what comes next” that we need (and want) to be creating. Indy is one of the world’s most original voices on redesigning societies and he has a radical thesis that brings together most of the themes we’ve discussed so far. He calls it “civilisational optionality”. Our job is not to save civilisation or to know what comes next… . It’s to preserve or expand the capacity for life (that is, humanity and the living world) to adapt to whatever comes next. Indy is an architect and Professor of Planetary Civics at Melbourne’s RMIT and the University of Sheffield. He has advised organisations including the United Nations , the World Economic Forum , and governments across Europe and the UK, helping them solve all kinds of complex, entangled problems. In this very wild conversation, Indy returns to Wild to loop together many of the themes of this series – emergence, fascism, steering AI to a pro-human future and, importantly, wrestling with what it means to be human. An expansive, fun and very real finale, to be sure! SHOW NOTES You can listen to our previous conversation: The…
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