About this episode

Steve Bell and Jamie Ramsden discuss the lessons of leadership through the lens of brick manufacturing and organizational culture.

What does a brick — one of humanity's oldest building materials — have to teach us about leading through disruption, integration, and change? The answer turns out to be more than you'd expect, and it starts with the paradox at the heart of great leadership: enduring strength combined with the willingness to adapt. Steve Bell is President of Brickworks North America, the US subsidiary of Australia's largest brick manufacturer — a company producing over 300 million bricks a year across eight facilities. His path to the top is anything but conventional: Steve came up through HR, which gives him a rare lens on people, culture, and what it actually takes to build an organization that lasts. He joins Jonathan Kirschner, CEO of AIIR Consulting, on A Podcast About Leadership alongside Jamie Ramsden — former CEO, author of How to Shape a Better Future, and one of AIIR's elite executive coaches — who has coached Steve through the transition from trusted advisor to final decision-maker. Culture Is Never a Finished Project — Steve and Jamie dismantle the dangerous myth that M&A integration has an end date, and explain why treating culture like a spreadsheet exercise is the fastest path…

People in this episode

Host: Jonathan Kirschner

Guests: Steve Bell, Jamie Ramsden

Topics covered

• leadership
• organizational culture
• M&A integration
• HR transition
• decision-making
• adaptability

Keywords

• leadership
• culture
• disruption
• integration
• HR
• decision-making
• organizational collapse

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Brickworks North America, AIIR Consulting

Books & works: How to Shape a Better Future

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