I Spent 48 Hours with Bob Lazar (The Truth Is Stranger Than You Think)

I Spent 48 Hours with Bob Lazar (The Truth Is Stranger Than You Think)

From American Alchemy with Jesse Michels by Jesse Michels

April 13, 2026 · 3h 28m

About this episode

Jesse Michels interviews Bob Lazar about his experiences with UFOs and covert Navy programs.

Today’s episode is brought to you by Kraken. Go to https://kraken.com/AA to learn more, and get $25 in bitcoin. Watch Bob’s new movie "S4: The Bob Lazar Story" here: https://www.wearenotalone.com/ Today’s episode is also sponsored by KetoneIQ: Visit https://ketone.com/ALCHEMY for 30% OFF your subscription order PLUS receive a free gift with your second shipment—or find Ketone-IQ at Target stores nationwide and get your first shot free! Pre-order the NEW Believe merch drop at https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ and check out some of our other items like the Cowboy UFO t-shirt and Atomic Age t-shirt while you're there. The Believe drop is a limited run so grab yours today. Our American Alchemist this week is Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar sat down for the longest and most scientifically rigorous interview he’s done since blowing the whistle on covert Navy UFO reverse engineering programs at Nevada Test Site’s S4 in 1989. He goes deep on UFO science, how the crafts actually fly, talks gravity-altering propulsion with NASA lead electrostatics scientist Charles Buhler, analyzes newly-leaked footage of a UFO flying at Area51 and unpacks his full experience working on the Sports Model UFO: its…

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Host: Jesse Michels

Guest: Bob Lazar

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Kraken, KetoneIQ

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: NASA

Books & works: S4: The Bob Lazar Story

Places: Nevada Test Site, Area51, ocean floor, Target

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