45, Part 2. Why Pay Will Never Feel Fair At Work (And It's Not The Money)

45, Part 2. Why Pay Will Never Feel Fair At Work (And It's Not The Money)

From At Work with The Ready by Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin

March 23, 2026 · 34 min · Season 9 · Episode 12

About this episode

Rodney and Sam discuss the complexities of compensation systems and propose foundational principles for designing fair pay structures.

Compensation is where human psychology and organizational systems collide—and in Part 1, Rodney and Sam named why it so often turns into a hedonic treadmill: every lever you pull to reduce dissatisfaction tends to raise expectations and create new dissatisfaction. If you haven’t listened to Part 1 yet, start there for the “why this is so messy” foundation. In Part 2, Rodney and Sam move from diagnosis to design: what principles should a compensation system actually be built on—and what do you do next? They walk through practical comp first principles and explore concrete moves teams can experiment with—like simplifying comp, reducing negotiation, and creating healthier feedback loops. -------------------------------- Ready to change your organization? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Let's talk.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get our newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ -------------------------------- Mentioned references: ⁠"previous comp episode": AWWTR Ep. 45, Part 1 "JEDI": BNW Ep. 40 with Sharan Bal "Midnight Zone": Depthfinding Miniseries BNW Ep. 6 with Joel Gascoigne BNW…

People in this episode

Hosts: Rodney Evans, Sam Spurlin

Topics covered

  • compensation
  • human psychology
  • organizational systems
  • compensation principles
  • feedback loops
  • pay equity

Keywords

  • compensation
  • pay fairness
  • human dignity
  • salary clarity
  • transparency
  • feedback loops
  • negotiation

Mentioned in this episode

Books & works: AWWTR Ep. 45, Part 1, BNW Ep. 40 with Sharan Bal, Depthfinding Miniseries BNW Ep. 6 with Joel Gascoigne, BNW Ep. 36 with Nathan Barry, BNW Ep. 84 with David Buckmaster, BNW Ep. 89 with Nikki Kaufman

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