Feed Swap: Beneath the Apology — Shame, Image & the Illusion of Empathy with Renee Swanson & Dr. Mazella

Feed Swap: Beneath the Apology — Shame, Image & the Illusion of Empathy with Renee Swanson & Dr. Mazella

August 14, 2026 · 31 min · Season 5 · Episode 297

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The episode explores the dynamics of apologies in narcissistic behavior, focusing on the illusion of empathy.

Why does their apology leave you feeling like the one who did something wrong? \ Continuing this week's feed swap, I'm sharing a conversation from Renee Swanson's Covert Narcissism Podcast — this time a guest interview with Dr. Anthony Mazzella, a psychodynamic therapist and host of The Narcissism Decoder. Together they get underneath the behavior to the "why," unpacking what they call the illusion of empathy: the moment an apology looks like remorse but is really about image control.&n...

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Host: Renee Swanson

Guest: Dr. Anthony Mazzella

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Organizations: Covert Narcissism Podcast, The Narcissism Decoder

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