
THE 4th PHASE OF WATER EXPLAINED - Gerald Pollack #79
From Chasing Consciousness by Freddy Drabble
September 14, 2025 · 1h 48m · Season 5 · Episode 79
About this episode
This episode explores the implications of the discovery of the 4th phase of water and its impact on energy and information storage.
What are the implications of the discovery of the chemical variation of water, nicknamed “The 4th phase”? What does the new structured chemical composition mean for the storage of energy and information? What can we learn from the discovery that electrical charge plays a role in the way water moves and transports other molecules? In this episode we have the fascinating new science of water to get into, particularly the research around the discovery of the gel-like chemical variation of water, nicknamed the “4th phase”. It occurs when water gets close to water friendly surfaces, and as it changes chemical structure, it separates into positive and negatively charged components. So we find out how this particular form of water is used by nature; how its structure can be ‘charged’ by infrared energy from the sun like a solar cell, becoming an energy source that can do work. We also separate the wheat from the chaff on the controversial ‘memory of water’ claims of Maseru Emoto and Nobel prize winner Luc Montagnier; and we discuss why there is so much resistance to this research despite the ubiquity and importance of water in biological systems. Fortunately to navigate this cutting…
People in this episode
Host: Freddy Drabble
Guest: Gerald Pollack
Topics covered
- 4th phase of water
- energy storage
- water structure
- biological systems
- controversial research
Keywords
- 4th phase of water
- structured water
- energy source
- water memory
- biological systems
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Pollack Labs, University of Washington
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