Ep 177. Iran War: Could Europe play Orderers? Or will China fill the void?

Ep 177. Iran War: Could Europe play Orderers? Or will China fill the void?

From Disorder by Jason Pack & Evergreen Podcasts

April 7, 2026 · 1h 2m

About this episode

The episode discusses the Iran conflict, Trump's strategy, and the potential roles of Europe and China in the situation.

As the Iran conflict enters its sixth week and Trump’s ultimatum is upon us, what is Trump’s real plan here? Is it merely to Disorder, or is he genuinely seeking to negotiate his way out of this conflict? To discuss the latest, including the role of Europe and whether the Strait of Hormuz can be theoretically and practically opened by military force, Jason is joined by Michael Stephens, senior fellow at Global Nation and an associate fellow at RUSI. He ran to be an MP for the Tories in Putney; he speaks Hebrew and Arabic; and has decades of expertise in the Gulf States, Syria, and inside the UK government. Michael and Jason discuss the theological background to the Islamic Republic’s ideology, the positive role Britain can play, whether the mere existence of this conflict helps the Chinese exert more power globally, and what the Europeans could do to Order the Disorder if they wanted to. To join our Mega Orderers Club for ad free listening, early episode releases and exclusive access to live events, visit disordershow.com/club To tell us more about Disorder, visit disordershow.com/survey Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/…

People in this episode

Host: Jason Pack

Guest: Michael Stephens

Topics covered

  • Iran conflict
  • Trump's foreign policy
  • European role in global politics
  • China's influence
  • Military strategy
  • Middle East ideology

Keywords

  • Iran
  • Trump
  • Europe
  • China
  • military force
  • Gulf States
  • Middle East
  • politics
  • conflict resolution

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Global Nation, RUSI

Places: Iran, Britain, China, Strait of Hormuz, UK, Putney, Gulf States, Syria

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