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Catherine and Kyle discuss insights from their conversation with Edward Chenard on data leadership and career strategies.

Welcome to another episode of the Data Debrief, the companion show to Driven by Data: The Podcast, where hosts Catherine Dowden-King and Kyle Winterbottom unpack Tuesday's episode, share what's been on their minds, and explore the realities of leadership, culture, and capability across the data and AI landscape. This week, Catherine and Kyle reflect on the conversation with Edward Chenard, diving deeper into what it actually takes to step outside your lane as a data leader, make yourself redundancy-proof, and shift the conversation from technical delivery to commercial impact. They cover: Why Edward's unattached, portfolio career status meant the episode landed differently, and why the growing constraints around PR and corporate communications are making truly candid guest conversations increasingly rare on podcasts How the fractional and advisory model is reshaping what value creation looks like in data leadership, and why organisations often get more commercial clarity from a contracted external than a full-time hire Why delivering exactly what the job spec asks of you is, in reality, a risky career strategy for any enterprise data leader or CDO The mindset behind becoming…

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Hosts: Catherine Dowden-King, Kyle Winterbottom

Guest: Edward Chenard

Topics covered

• data leadership
• commercial impact
• career strategy
• redundancy-proof
• corporate communications

Keywords

• data leadership
• commercial impact
• redundancy-proof
• career strategy
• corporate communications
• fractional model
• advisory model

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