Terence Tao – Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Terence Tao – Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

March 20, 2026 · 1h 24m

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The episode explores Kepler's discovery of planetary motion and the complexities of scientific verification over time.

We begin the episode with the absolutely ingenious and surprising way in which Kepler discovered the laws of planetary motion. People sometimes say that AI will make especially fast progress at scientific discovery because of tight verification loops. But the story of how we discovered the shape of our solar system shows how the verification loop for correct ideas can be decades (or even millennia) long. During this time, what we know today as the better theory can actually make worse predictions. And the reasons it survives this epistemic hell is some mixture of judgment and heuristics that we don’t even understand well enough to actually articulate, much less codify into an RL loop. Hope you enjoy! Watch on YouTube ; read the transcript . Sponsors - Jane Street loves challenging my audience with different creative puzzles. One of my listeners, Shawn, solved Jane Street’s ResNet challenge and posted a great walk-through on X . If you want to try one of these puzzles yourself, there’s one live now at janestreet.com/dwarkesh . - Labelbox can get you rubric-based evals, no matter your domain. These rubrics allow you to give your model feedback on all the dimensions you care about…

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Host: Dwarkesh Patel

Guest: Terence Tao

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