Fostering "Prodigies of Uncertainty" with Layman Pascal

About this episode

Michael Garfield interviews Layman Pascal about the evolving nature of futurity and the role of weirdness in society.

The world is getting weirder every day… We need weirdness specialists. Maybe the best guy for the job is my friend, the brilliant “metashaman” ( and possible octopus ) Layman Pascal . In his own words, Layman “used to be a Canadian meditation teacher, yoga instructor & philosopher of Integral Metatheory but he’s feeling much better now.” He leads the Metamodern Spirituality Labs , hosts The Integral Stage , Soulmakers+ , and (forthcoming) Untegral Stage podcasts, and provides unique online courses. He is also a founding member of several think tanks in the developmental psychology and spirituality space, senior editor of Emerge online & is allied to numerous institutes across the field. In addition to many journal and anthology articles, he is the author of Gurdjieff for a Time Between World s, Sex, Death & the Occult, as well as an upcoming book about Nietzsche. Layman is known for his philosophical work on the metaphysics of adjacency, complex nonduality, coaxial developmental stage theories, sacred naturalism, archaic futurism, embodied spirituality & the “integration-surplus model of religion and spirituality” for a post-postmodern civilization facing numerous accelerating…

People in this episode

Host: Michael Garfield

Guest: Layman Pascal

Topics covered

• weirdness specialists
• metaphysics of adjacency
• sociocultural roles
• futurity
• shamanoid personalities
• developmental psychology

Keywords

• metashaman
• integral metatheory
• sacred naturalism
• archaic futurism
• integration-surplus model
• post-postmodern civilization
• complex nonduality

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Metamodern Spirituality Labs, The Integral Stage, Soulmakers+, Untegral Stage, Emerge

Books & works: Gurdjieff for a Time Between Worlds, Sex, Death & the Occult, Nietzsche

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