
White Identity Is Galvanizing the Right
From Interesting Times with Ross Douthat by New York Times Opinion
March 19, 2026 · 1h 3m
About this episode
The episode discusses the obsession with anti-white discrimination among the American right, featuring guest Jeremy Carl.
The idea that white people — and white men in particular — face discrimination has become something of an obsession on the American right. It’s a view that my guest this week shares. Jeremy Carl was nominated to a State Department post by the Trump administration, which sparked a lot of controversy. Carl is the author of “The Unprotected Class,” in which he makes the case that white Americans are in danger of becoming “second-class citizens.” I wanted to know what he thinks constitutes anti-white discrimination and whether focusing on it inevitably leads to white nationalism. After we taped this interview, Carl withdrew his nomination, acknowledging that he lacked enough support to be confirmed.
People in this episode
Host: Ross Douthat
Guest: Jeremy Carl
Topics covered
- white identity
- discrimination
- American right
- white nationalism
- political controversy
Keywords
- white identity
- discrimination
- white nationalism
- Jeremy Carl
- Trump administration
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Trump administration
Books & works: The Unprotected Class
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