About this episode

The episode discusses the intersection of Enneagram teachings and neuroscience through the collaboration of David Daniels, Laura Baker, and Jack Killingsworth.

David Daniels, Laura Baker, and Jack Killingsworth explain how their five-year collaboration moved Enneagram teachings into peer-reviewed psychology—and why measuring type requires looking past trait models to core motivations. They present their latest paper on how innate emotion systems, attention patterns, and adaptive strategies shape type expression across a lifetime.

Topics covered

• Enneagram
• neuroscience
• psychology
• core motivations
• emotion systems

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