High Level Conversations: Dr. Bettina Love

High Level Conversations: Dr. Bettina Love

April 17, 2026 · 1h 12m

About this episode

Dr. Bettina Love discusses skepticism towards reform in Black and brown communities and the concept of Black joy.

On this episode of Levels to This, hosts Sheryl Swoopes and Terrika Foster-Brasby are joined by Dr. Bettina Love, renowned public speaker, educator, and New York Times bestselling author of Punished for Dreaming. Dr. Love breaks down why "reform" is a word Black and brown communities should be skeptical of, and why America's racial inequities aren't a crisis — they're a continuation. Dr. Love brings real joy to the conversation, breaking down what black joy actually means: the spades table where nobody's thinking about white folks, the sundress that needs no explanation, the McDonald's money question that transcends generations. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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