Season 5: Episode 124: Leadership, Discomfort & Learning to Be the Janitor First

Season 5: Episode 124: Leadership, Discomfort & Learning to Be the Janitor First

May 25, 2026 · 20 min · Season 5 · Episode 124

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Sarah Beth Herman challenges the notion of emotional disengagement in leadership and its impact on workplace culture.

Send us Fan Mail Host Sarah Beth Herman challenges the popular phrase “not my circus, not my monkeys,” arguing that while boundaries matter, emotional disengagement is increasingly being confused with wisdom, quietly eroding workplace and relational culture through breakdowns in communication, trust, and shared responsibility. Drawing on her leadership experiences—being denied a hard-earned promotion, having offices reassigned after building strong teams, and being dismissed when requesting t...

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